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能够很好地适应这条路上更复杂的情况。路好了，新的规矩也来了，至少它要有上路的入场券。你的车况不行，驾驶技术不行，就肯定要遭淘汰，面的是没法上高速路的。打个比方，就像NBA大使队实际上都是些参加不了NBA比赛的球员组成的，但到中国来打比赛，我们的球队还是输给它，和真正的NBA球队的差距更可想而知，它也不会给你机会和它比赛。",[376,600,601],{},"我们若真要和国际企业一起竞争，靠侥幸是不行的。我喜欢打乒乓，也曾经和世界级选手一起打过球，甚至有个球我还把他扣死了，那一个球我不知道是不是人家让我，但我知道比赛不是只打这一个球！",[429,603,605],{"id":604},"不创造利润的企业是罪恶的",[379,606,607],{},"“不创造利润的企业是罪恶的“",[376,609,610,611,613],{},"记者：记得去年底曾看到过一篇大致叫做“DVD市场的春天到来了”的文章，可半年多过去，从央视的广告看，目前坚持在DVD上有较大动作的也只有",[379,612,387],{},"等有限的几家，很多曾经很热闹的DVD牌子似乎已经悄无声息了。",[376,615,616,618,619,621],{},[379,617,381],{},"：DVD仍然是",[379,620,387],{},"的一个重要产品。DVD市场的成熟要有个过程，不会是哪一天就从天上掉下来个金果子。市场有消费能力，还要有消费需求，这个需求有一个培养的过程。大家对市场的判断是不同的，以前别人行动的时候，我没有动静，但我判断，这个市场现在已经开始逐步进入成熟期了，所以也才有了施瓦辛格来为DVD和DVD家庭影院做的广告。",[376,623,624],{},"记者：那么在你的预期中，DVD市场和去年相比，会有多大的增长？",[376,626,627,629],{},[379,628,381],{},"：应该有50%甚至更多。我不指望全国人民都买DVD，任何产品都只卖给需要它的那部分人。",[376,631,632],{},"记者：尽管如此，我还是觉得DVD有些吃力不讨好的意思，因为总觉得这个市场不够热闹。还有很多看起来更流行的产品为什么你没有去介入？",[376,634,635,637,638,641],{},[379,636,381],{},"：我很欣赏",[379,639,640],{},"松下","说过的这样一句话：不创造利润的企业是罪恶的。因为这样的企业对不起股东，对不起自己的员工，甚至也对不起消费者。所以，我必须坚持介入和坚守能带来利润的产品",{"title":643,"searchDepth":12,"depth":12,"links":644},"",[],null,"段永平谈步步高的品牌定位、本分竞争哲学、广告策略，强调不创造利润的企业是罪恶的，反对盲目多元化。","md",{},true,"\u002Fdao\u002Fspeeches\u002Fduanyongping-2000nian-xiaoshouyushichang-zazhizhuanfang",{"title":186,"description":646},"2000年 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